Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

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Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Smiling Assassin » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:30 pm

Just read an article re: Camo Cops in the bush, top speed of 199km/h on Black Spur!
Anyone had any dealings with this set-up? Bloody quick for a short stretch of road!

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Day » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:02 pm

Smiling Assassin wrote:Just read an article re: Camo Cops in the bush, top speed of 199km/h on Black Spur!
Anyone had any dealings with this set-up? Bloody quick for a short stretch of road!


Got a link to the article?

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Smiling Assassin » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:05 pm

I'm a computer nuffy! Herald sun article today.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Hardy » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:27 pm

I deal with these cases fairly regularly. Had a client with one today from exactly that set-up at Fernshaw. The nong who complained to the Herald Sun about this claims ""They were disguised and hiding in thick bush to nab people as they came down a hill on the only overtaking spot for miles around," said the motorist, who asked not to be identified.
"That's not fair. It's just blatant revenue raising." He fails to mention it is illegal to overtake at that location because of the solid white line down the centre of the road! Fortunately for him the police there are only interested in prosecuting the excessive speed offences and not the minor offences or crossing solid lines or minor speeds.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Day » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:28 pm

Thanks. Interesting. Back to the op, some bikes get incredible acceleration, so quite possible.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Hardy » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:23 pm

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-or ... 6574886387

DISGUISED police hiding in bushes behind camouflage nets are using radar guns to nab hundreds of speeding Victorians.


And the Herald Sun has discovered they are planning to secretly aim their radars at thousands more motorists this year.

Victoria Police makes no apologies for the sneaky tactic and yesterday vowed to continue the blitzes.

Supt Neville Taylor said the use of camouflaged cops was developed to tackle the problem police were having with speeding motorcyclists in the Yarra Ranges.

"Since then we have used it in other areas where we have the same challenges, such as the Surf Coast and down in Gippsland, around Mt Baw Baw and Latrobe," he said. "It is clearly saving lives on the road."

An angry motorist fined after being caught by what police call "Operation Surreptitious" hit back by tracking down their hidey-hole and taking pictures of the officers in action.

"They were disguised and hiding in thick bush to nab people as they came down a hill on the only overtaking spot for miles around," said the motorist, who asked not to be identified.
"That's not fair. It's just blatant revenue raising."

The photographs, provided to the Herald Sun, show Victoria Police officers went to extraordinary lengths to avoid being seen by motorists and motorcyclists approaching them just out of Healesville on the popular Black Spur section of the Maroondah Highway.

Both officers were wearing military-style camouflage clothing and were bunkered down behind camouflage netting.

The stretch of road is one of very few places on the Black Spur where overtaking is allowed.

Supt Taylor yesterday defended the camouflage tactic as legitimate and highly effective.

"We make absolutely no apologies for doing it because it is done only in areas that have a long history of very high risk behaviour, where we have high road trauma," he said.

"Because of the terrain in the areas, such as mountainous, winding roads, the traditional enforcement methods are just not able to be used."

Police statistics reveal 911 people have been caught speeding by the camouflaged cops in the Yarra Ranges since the operation started in 2008.

The operation has resulted in 74 vehicles being impounded for exceeding the speed limit by 45km/h or more, with 53 of them being motorcycles. The top speed recorded was 199km/h.

Supt Taylor said the camouflaged cops picked up two motorcyclists doing 168km/h and 142km/h in the 80km/h zone on the day the reader took photographs.

Victoria Police has a written policy that bans the use of concealed mobile speed cameras, but there is no restriction on radar guns.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby suitcaseau » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:31 pm

I am not usually in favour of speed cameras but the last time I travelled on this stretch of road I was quite horrified by the behaviour of some drivers and riders. In the space of about one kilometre I was overtaken twice, once by a motor cycle, once by a ute, as I approached a blind corner. Both vehicles ventured on to the wrong side of the road and clearly could not have been able to see if anything was coming the other way, and would not have been able to avoid a collision if something had been. Both, needless to say, were speeding, doing about 120 in my estimation, so any collision would almost certainly have been fatal.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Mode100 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:06 pm

...Not suggesting that this particular driver/rider did this at any stage, but nothing craps me off more than someone driving up the back of your car in a confined area when you're doing the posted speed.... I ain't speeding for no one).. What goes through the mind of people that do this? Can't they see the person is just doing the posted speed and they don't particularly want to speed illegally and can't safely move out of their way to allow them to pass and drive like a tool?? Is there some way to communicate this to them so they leave you in peace ?

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby allde » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:57 pm

This to me is blatant revenue raising, if you want people to drive / ride slower Mr Plod should be seen more often to deter speeders, Camouflage gear and hiding in the bush just won’t cut it unless your goal is make some money..........

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Hardy » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:07 am

Camouflage gear and hiding in the bush just won’t cut it unless your goal is make some money..........

Pretty sure their goal is to catch offenders and see that their licences are suspended. The whole operation is underwritten by the TAC anyway, because their bean counters have worked out that TAC will save a lot of money if they can reduce the weekly heli-vac from the Black Spur to merely one per month. The TAC is not receiving any revenue from the infringement notices even though it has been paying for these types of operations for the past 5 years.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby richard_m_h » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:05 am

Hardy wrote:He fails to mention it is illegal to overtake at that location because of the solid white line down the centre of the road!


Actually, they are set up at the only overtaking place on the spur.

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Hardy » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:40 am

It is not an overtaking place - unless you can get past the vehicle in front without crossing the solid white centre line.
It is the best hoon observatory in the area. Where did you expect them to sit to detect offences? On a hairpin bend?

They used to have police vehicles patrolling the area, but it was too hard to detect and intercept offenders. see http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.as ... t_ID=10006

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby richard_m_h » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:18 pm

The Australian agrees with my memory of a month ago

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ca ... 6574886387

Both officers were wearing military-style camouflage clothing and were bunkered down behind camouflage netting.

The stretch of road is one of very few places on the Black Spur where overtaking is allowed.

Supt Taylor yesterday defended the camouflage tactic as legitimate and highly effective.


need a password unless you search for black spur overtaking spots in google

same story in the Sun

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby bazzle » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:52 pm

It used to be an overtaking spot, and well used too.
Since the single line law came in it reduced it to a straight crawl. Not saying you shouldnt go too fast but it needs to have dashes there.
That wont happen now though. Automatically where it was safe to overtake is now illegal if single line!

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby Hardy » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:39 am

Here it is - solid white line the whole way along.

https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=ferns ... toria&z=18

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby richard_m_h » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:04 am

the broken line part is maybe 100 metres long, just under the spot where the coppers sit. you come over the hill stuck behind a caravan or a boat, an open stretch of road, overtaking lines and you go for it! (if you don't know they are there). could be in there under the trees.


2:57 into this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4MAQ9nOIc

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby allde » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:02 pm

richard_m_h wrote:the broken line part is maybe 100 metres long, just under the spot where the coppers sit. you come over the hill stuck behind a caravan or a boat, an open stretch of road, overtaking lines and you go for it! (if you don't know they are there). could be in there under the trees.


2:57 into this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4MAQ9nOIc


Interesting, so you can legally pass where the broken lines are, but when it becomes a solid white line again, you would have to get back to your own side as fast and as safe as practical.
How many times have you tried passing a car, then the driver tends to speed up whilst your trying to get pass them?
'P' Platers do that all the time.........

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Re: Camo Cops - 11/02/2013

Postby richard_m_h » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:24 pm

a nice little earner


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