Assault by police

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Assault by police

Postby Hardy » Sun May 12, 2019 11:42 pm

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 51mcy.html

Police enter wrong house without warrant and arrest wrong man and break his arm.
As if breaking his arm would have been ok if he was actually the suspect they were looking for.
What’s the bet the police defend the inevitable criminal charges and civil action that result from this.
And lose.
And get ordered to pay about $3.5 million.

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Chef » Mon May 13, 2019 7:32 am

Nothing like a loaded statement hey Sean... You know as well as any one they wouldn't have needed a warrant under 459A or have you been doing speeding files so long you've forgotten the basics?

The (alleged) assault part, let it run its course, if he's entitled, To compo, then pay it..

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Hardy » Mon May 13, 2019 10:28 am

The lack of warrant simply means they need to justify their actions under 459A, which will pose hurdles for them which might not exist if they had a warrant.

It is time something was done to end the entrenched practice of the police using unnecessary and/or excessive force against suspects who try to flee police. The excuse that the degree of force was required and justified in order to prevent the suspect retaliating or fleeing is getting a bit tired.

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Slattery » Wed May 29, 2019 10:50 pm

We don't even know how his arm was broken. It may be as simple as him tripping and falling to the concrete elbow first. Who knows.
Trial by media as usual before all the facts come out

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Hardy » Thu May 30, 2019 9:35 am

Just because the journalists don't know how it was broken doesn't mean the police or the victim don't know.

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Re: Assault by police

Postby BN2 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:29 am

Slattery wrote:We don't even know how his arm was broken. It may be as simple as him tripping and falling to the concrete elbow first. Who knows.
Trial by media as usual before all the facts come out



Exactly.

It was all recorded on the Taser. I don't know why Vicpol hasn't released it yet. Time will tell.

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Re: Assault by police

Postby freddie » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:30 pm

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 53aa6.html

I'm so not surprised by how this one turned out.

Lets see..
We've got a drug addled nutcase on bail who just tried to murder his brother driving around in a stolen car - uhoh better not approach this guy
We've got a guy at a costume party with a plastic gun with no trigger - lets charge in and riddle him (and his missus) with bullets

Golf clap

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Day » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:14 pm

Let's see. Police criticised for the softly softly approach for not shooting a driver committing traffic offences.

Okay let's take a call regarding someone with a gun seriously. Whoops criticised.

Golf clap to the critics.

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Chef » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:47 pm

For years and years, the public and the coroner hammered the police for pursuits and the risks of 'it was only a stolen car' or 'why chase someone to their death' even going as far to ban pursuits.

Then a major incident happens involving a vehicle and the same critics are wondering why action wasn't taken.....

Lets not forget that the Crimes Act requires any force used to be proportionate and reasonable....

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Re: Assault by police

Postby FarSur81 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:05 pm

Chef wrote:Lets not forget that the Crimes Act requires any force used to be proportionate and reasonable....

So the "trained" Police could or couldn't see that someone whom was just asleep, PJs, was armed, with multiple weapons, so it was important to keep the rifle (a medium to long range weapon, and not to be discharged inches from the concrete or asphalt road), not their side arm, (Short to medium range weapon) or even their Tazer (personal to Very short range weapon).
These "proud" Police union head 'proud' of officers involved in botched Fitzroy raid police officers must be very well trained.

I understand the Police were chasing an Armed individual, but they are also trained to reduce their response according to the danger, but if the story is true of holding the muzzle of a rifle beside their head, then something is very wrong here.

Faroukh

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Re: Assault by police

Postby BN2 » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:31 am

Cleared by IBAC.

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Re: Assault by police

Postby Hardy » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:14 am

IBAC found the police conduct on the night was lawful and reasonable.
So IBAC will not be recommending any criminal charges are laid or that any disciplinary action is taken.
This leaves the air clear for the civil proceedings to start. Police will be too emboldened by IBAC to concede they have no defence, but they'll end up capitulating on the steps of court just as they did in the Saints & Sinners shooting case - a case where the only thing IBAC had to say about that incident was to point out that police failed to conduct a Critical Incident Review into themselves. It has not recommended any police be charged with any offence in that case either.

I'm betting the payout to Dimopoulos will be around $1 million. We may never know how much it is, because police like to make these payments confidential.


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