blatent lie in a police statement

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby vulgarwolf » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:50 pm

You may see it as playing with fire...I see it as over zealous police....somewhat bullying people....they know the average person wont contest a fine...a lawyer is more expensive than the fine itself and very likely to get full costs recovered.

If the police were honest with their statement...then it would be a fair fight....however for them to be dishonest...or extremely mistaken...is completely unfair to the general public.

So yes its somewhat a moral crusade...I've never been one to back down from a fight with authority...and I have never been one to just lay down and cop it when I have done nothing wrong

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby Hardy » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:22 pm

If an accused person got acquitted every time they identified something in a police statement that was not correct, there would be no need for jails or lawyers.

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby Gravy » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:18 am

@vulgarwolf - I think you have the wrong impression of my posts.

I am not for a moment questioning your intent, moral justification, or the facts as you relay them. To a very large degree I share your view on the first two and I accept the facts as you state them. The reason I am challenging your tactics on a technical level is because I empathise with you, not because I am judging you.

I don't think you should lay down and cop it. If I were in your situation, I would sure as hell take it in front of a magistrate as you are doing. It's just that I would hate to read that your opportunity was wasted, or the outcome was adverse to you, because you focused too much on a type of evidence that was never going to help you. Or that you let your (understandable) frustration cloud the rational preparation and presentation of your defence; hence my caution vis. playing with fire.

On a purely logical level - if your dashcam footage clearly shows you were in the lane the police claim to have occupied, that to your left was a truck and to your right no vehicle, does that not achieve what you were hoping the GPS data would achieve? And without having to pay an expert witness? If nothing else it's certainly simpler to demonstrate and to understand.

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby vulgarwolf » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:50 pm

As I was the first vehicle to the lights there is no truck visible...the footage shows me in the lane I was in, drive through the intersection and pull over.

The reason for the GPS data is because I believe theres no such thing as too many nails in a coffin. I like to really drive a point home...an officer can deny 1 piece of evidence eg the dash cam...however when more and more evidence stacks up against them, it doesn't make them look the best...if anything they may start to look uncomfortable on the stand...I want this, and I want the magistrate to see it.

I want to overwhelm the magistrate with information to the point that they cant see any other possible scenario other than the one I have given.

In life there have been too many times where loose ends haven't been tied up..and they have came back to bite me....i'm doing the best I can now to ensure that doesn't happen again

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby Slattery » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:51 pm

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"That's a picture of them item I had in my hand."

Are you saying there was nothing in the leather case? Do you just like the feel of leather in your hand while you drive :D :D :D

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby notquiteright » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:52 pm

"From the distance they were and the wording in their statement of "Making a texting motion"...I feel they know from the distance I was they couldn't make a clear identification....so claiming they were next to me to make their version of events much more believable".

Why are you bothering about all this GPS stuff? What's the difference if they made a clear identification of a texting or not? You had a notebook/calculator on your lap - I don't know much about traffic law (that's why I come to this blog), but is that even an offence? If you didn't have a mobile phone on your lap then you don't have a problem. I assume there is no evidence in the police statement about the presence of a mobile phone in the car?

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby vulgarwolf » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:43 am

notquiteright wrote:"From the distance they were and the wording in their statement of "Making a texting motion"...I feel they know from the distance I was they couldn't make a clear identification....so claiming they were next to me to make their version of events much more believable".

Why are you bothering about all this GPS stuff? What's the difference if they made a clear identification of a texting or not? You had a notebook/calculator on your lap - I don't know much about traffic law (that's why I come to this blog), but is that even an offence? If you didn't have a mobile phone on your lap then you don't have a problem. I assume there is no evidence in the police statement about the presence of a mobile phone in the car?


Have you ever been accused of anything and gone to court....its not about what you say and words....9 times out of 10 the magistrate will believe the words of 2 police officers over a normal civilian.

I personally believe to defeat them in this situation its about taking their lack of accuracy in their statement..and exploiting it as much as possible and making the magistrate believe that they have been dishonest in a malicious way.

Once credibility has been lost by either party in a case...its quite rare that they are successful

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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby vulgarwolf » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:44 am


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Re: blatent lie in a police statement

Postby notquiteright » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:47 pm

Well if that's what you had in your hand then you can't lose because its a notepad and calculator, not a mobile phone. It does seem a very unusual and unfair that you're being charged with using a mobile phone when there is no mobile phone present. If I was charged with using a notebook and calculator while driving I would fight it in court too! I assume there isn't anything mentioned in the police statement about a mobile phone is there?


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